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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-22 11:55

Title : Re: 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][B]The Southern Federation[/B]

Not as dormant as it appears. [B]Stat Description:[/B]

[SPOILER][B]Military (MIL):[/B] Low, at the height of its power the Southern Federation had armies the equal of any in the world. Their troops were elite, and outfitted with the latest technology. Huge fortresses lined the Andes ready to accept the entire population of the country in case of siege. Those days are gone. Few volunteer for the Southern Federation armies any more, and it is if anything more of a glorified police and coast guard than a true military threat. The fortresses however are not unoccupied merely repurposed. [B]Economy (ECO):[/B] Low, the citizens of the Southern Federation aren't lazy. They're just more casual in their attitudes. Furthermore the Southern Federation lacks the trade connections to sell their products or buy enough resources to fuel a massive economy. As such they tend to devote more time to ensuring the quality of their products which will end up in the possession of other citizens, than mass producing goods for sale to outsiders.

[B]Espionage (ESP):[/B] High or very high, the Southern Federation did not retreat from the world stage, they just went underground. From their command centers in the Andes fortresses the directors of the Andes Intelligence Agency control a vast web of agents that keep the Southern Federation up to date on everything occurring on or near the Earth, protected from prying eyes by the thick concrete wall of the old Federation fortresses. [B]Technology (TEC):[/B] High, The Southern Federation keeps up with the latest in scientific developments. Its scientists work every day to ensure that the agents of the AIA have the best espionage tools in the world. And while their army is tiny efforts are made to ensure that in the event of war the most cutting edge weapons are on file to produce and outfit them with. [B]Morale (MOR):[/B] High, The Southern Federation is the best place in the whole world in the minds of its citizens. Sure other countries might view it as a backwater, but the citizens don't mind. They like the peace and quiet. The two decades in which the Southern Federation was a major power were more than enough to convince them that the international spotlight wasn't worth the effort. Or at least that's the show they put on for visitors. [B]Reputation (REP):[/B] Non Existent (or Low if nonexistent would mean that I'm hated), It's not that anyone hates the Southern Federation. They just don't care about what it thinks. They are content to leave it to wallow in its isolationism. After all the Southern Federation has the potential to be much greater than they are and garner some world power. So no reason to push them into doing so. If the Southern Federation is willing to take itself out of the political game, then the other countries are more than happy to leave them to it.[/SPOILER] These are the stats that the Southern Federation is going to try and make everyone else see. [B]Stat Description:[/B]

[SPOILER][B]Military (MIL):[/B] High, The Southern Federation fully understands that some people might try to force them to interact with the rest of the world, as such they have produced a range of defenses all out of proportion to their laid back nature. Their soldiers might not have the latest in military hardware, but they train extensively with what they have, and have turned the Andes into one long line of fortresses from which to guard the rest of the Federation. [B]Economy (ECO):[/B] Low, the citizens of the Southern Federation aren't lazy. They're just more casual in their attitudes. Furthermore the Southern Federation lacks the trade connections to sell their products or buy enough resources to fuel a massive economy. As such they tend to devote more time to ensuring the quality of their products which will end up in the possession of other citizens, than mass producing goods for sale to outsiders.

[B]Espionage (ESP):[/B] Low, The Southern Federation keeps a small division of agents to watch its internal affairs, and maintains embassies around the world, but they are mostly unoccupied. It's simply a matter of the Southern culture. A very small number of citizens actually want to travel. Too small to do anything, but keep a discreet watch on world events. As such the Southern Federation knows little more than what the citizens of countries with more aggressive public news agencies do. [B]Technology (TEC):[/B] Average, The Southern Federation keeps up with the latest in scientific developments. But it has not been a high priority for them, and like their industry many scientists take the view that anything truly ground breaking will eventually spread to the whole world anyway, and it might just be better to let the first tests be done in other countries instead of in the Southern Federation, just in case things go wrong. The scientists of the Southern Federation are no less intelligent than any other; they just tend to be more apt to examine whatever strikes their curiosity rather than any one specific project. [B]Morale (MOR):[/B] Extremely High, The Southern Federation is the best place in the whole world in the minds of its citizens. Sure other countries might view it as a backwater, but the citizens don't mind. They like the peace and quiet. The two decades in which the Southern Federation was a major power were more than enough to convince them that the international spotlight wasn't worth the effort. [B]Reputation (REP):[/B] Non Existent (or Low if nonexistent would mean that I'm hated), It's not that anyone hates the Southern Federation. They just don't care about what it thinks. They are content to leave it to wallow in its isolationism. After all the Southern Federation has the potential to be much greater than they are and garner some world power. So no reason to push them into doing so. If the Southern Federation is willing to take itself out of the political game, then the other countries are more than happy to leave them to it.[/SPOILER][/QUOTE] Looks good. Just a note on trying to make people see stats, you'll need to invest ESP every turn in either hiding stats or artificially boosting the appearance of stats. If they invest enough of their own ESP to cracking the secret or if they simply get lucky and stumble across something that shouldn't exist, they may get a hint at your true stats, so it may be preferable to bluff them into not making that investment in the first place.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-22 12:10

Title : Re: 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][B]The Southern Federation[/B]

Not as dormant as it appears. [B]Stat Description:[/B]

[SPOILER][B]Military (MIL):[/B] Low, at the height of its power the Southern Federation had armies the equal of any in the world. Their troops were elite, and outfitted with the latest technology. Huge fortresses lined the Andes ready to accept the entire population of the country in case of siege. Those days are gone. Few volunteer for the Southern Federation armies any more, and it is if anything more of a glorified police and coast guard than a true military threat. The fortresses however are not unoccupied merely repurposed. [B]Economy (ECO):[/B] Low, the citizens of the Southern Federation aren't lazy. They're just more casual in their attitudes. Furthermore the Southern Federation lacks the trade connections to sell their products or buy enough resources to fuel a massive economy. As such they tend to devote more time to ensuring the quality of their products which will end up in the possession of other citizens, than mass producing goods for sale to outsiders.

[B]Espionage (ESP):[/B] High or very high, the Southern Federation did not retreat from the world stage, they just went underground. From their command centers in the Andes fortresses the directors of the Andes Intelligence Agency control a vast web of agents that keep the Southern Federation up to date on everything occurring on or near the Earth, protected from prying eyes by the thick concrete wall of the old Federation fortresses. [B]Technology (TEC):[/B] High, The Southern Federation keeps up with the latest in scientific developments. Its scientists work every day to ensure that the agents of the AIA have the best espionage tools in the world. And while their army is tiny efforts are made to ensure that in the event of war the most cutting edge weapons are on file to produce and outfit them with. [B]Morale (MOR):[/B] High, The Southern Federation is the best place in the whole world in the minds of its citizens. Sure other countries might view it as a backwater, but the citizens don't mind. They like the peace and quiet. The two decades in which the Southern Federation was a major power were more than enough to convince them that the international spotlight wasn't worth the effort. Or at least that's the show they put on for visitors. [B]Reputation (REP):[/B] Non Existent (or Low if nonexistent would mean that I'm hated), It's not that anyone hates the Southern Federation. They just don't care about what it thinks. They are content to leave it to wallow in its isolationism. After all the Southern Federation has the potential to be much greater than they are and garner some world power. So no reason to push them into doing so. If the Southern Federation is willing to take itself out of the political game, then the other countries are more than happy to leave them to it.[/SPOILER] These are the stats that the Southern Federation is going to try and make everyone else see. [B]Stat Description:[/B]

[SPOILER][B]Military (MIL):[/B] High, The Southern Federation fully understands that some people might try to force them to interact with the rest of the world, as such they have produced a range of defenses all out of proportion to their laid back nature. Their soldiers might not have the latest in military hardware, but they train extensively with what they have, and have turned the Andes into one long line of fortresses from which to guard the rest of the Federation. [B]Economy (ECO):[/B] Low, the citizens of the Southern Federation aren't lazy. They're just more casual in their attitudes. Furthermore the Southern Federation lacks the trade connections to sell their products or buy enough resources to fuel a massive economy. As such they tend to devote more time to ensuring the quality of their products which will end up in the possession of other citizens, than mass producing goods for sale to outsiders.

[B]Espionage (ESP):[/B] Low, The Southern Federation keeps a small division of agents to watch its internal affairs, and maintains embassies around the world, but they are mostly unoccupied. It's simply a matter of the Southern culture. A very small number of citizens actually want to travel. Too small to do anything, but keep a discreet watch on world events. As such the Southern Federation knows little more than what the citizens of countries with more aggressive public news agencies do. [B]Technology (TEC):[/B] Average, The Southern Federation keeps up with the latest in scientific developments. But it has not been a high priority for them, and like their industry many scientists take the view that anything truly ground breaking will eventually spread to the whole world anyway, and it might just be better to let the first tests be done in other countries instead of in the Southern Federation, just in case things go wrong. The scientists of the Southern Federation are no less intelligent than any other; they just tend to be more apt to examine whatever strikes their curiosity rather than any one specific project. [B]Morale (MOR):[/B] Extremely High, The Southern Federation is the best place in the whole world in the minds of its citizens. Sure other countries might view it as a backwater, but the citizens don't mind. They like the peace and quiet. The two decades in which the Southern Federation was a major power were more than enough to convince them that the international spotlight wasn't worth the effort. [B]Reputation (REP):[/B] Non Existent (or Low if nonexistent would mean that I'm hated), It's not that anyone hates the Southern Federation. They just don't care about what it thinks. They are content to leave it to wallow in its isolationism. After all the Southern Federation has the potential to be much greater than they are and garner some world power. So no reason to push them into doing so. If the Southern Federation is willing to take itself out of the political game, then the other countries are more than happy to leave them to it.[/SPOILER][/QUOTE] Looks good. Just a note on trying to make people see stats, you'll need to invest ESP every turn in either hiding stats or artificially boosting the appearance of stats. If they invest enough of their own ESP to cracking the secret or if they simply get lucky and stumble across something that shouldn't exist, they may get a hint at your true stats, so it may be preferable to bluff them into not making that investment in the first place.[/QUOTE] I intend to both invest esp and bluff. Primarily by not getting involved in any squabbles, and thus not being on anyone's radar. And also by not doing any projects which might lead people to become suspicious. I'm hoping that no other PCs end up in South America so I can quietly do my own thing there. A question on psionics. Is it just telepathy and stuff, or is telekinesis going to be possible in this setting. Have you statted up the factions yet?[/QUOTE]

Sounds good. Just making sure since I've gotten a couple questions to that end already. Psionics will start as empathy, limited (reception-only, surface-thoughts) telepathy, and other mind-mind interactions, with advancement with continuing research. Telekinesis might become possible with advanced research, like technopathy, mental influence/domination, and other high-end esper powers, but I haven't quite decided yet to what extent I want to go. I'm actually working on the stats for the factions submitted and accepted so far right now. Once they and the maps are ready, I'll make a post in the main thread and edit into the first post under "State of the World." ^_^

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-23 22:11

Title : [2126] National Stats: Southern Federation

MIL: 2

ECO: 2

ESP: 7

TEC: 6

MOR: 6

REP: 2

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From : Thelonius

To : ArcaneStomper, Mistral

Date : 2012-03-27 07:48

Title : Shhhhh!

[QUOTE]So Mistral, in this game are the usual shotgun trade agreements everyone makes at the start of the game actually going to have any bonuses. Or perhaps even penalties. Or is it purely fluff like in most TWs.[/QUOTE] Shhhh! Goddamit. I plan to exploit the heck out of how everybody just blindly signs anything called Trade Agreement. Let's say mine will have special clauses, that my best lawyers will cleverly conceal. You can invent more stuff then fusion bombs and AIs with Technology. I'm putting my big brains into Advanced Economic & Trade Treaties Theory.

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From : Thelonius

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-27 10:03

Title : Re: Shhhhh!

1. We don't have treaties between us.

2. Oh why not student exchange program. Our Buisness Majors are going to be real Sharks. :smallbiggrin: [QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Thelonius][QUOTE]So Mistral, in this game are the usual shotgun trade agreements everyone makes at the start of the game actually going to have any bonuses. Or perhaps even penalties. Or is it purely fluff like in most TWs.[/QUOTE] Shhhh! Goddamit. I plan to exploit the heck out of how everybody just blindly signs anything called Trade Agreement. Let's say mine will have special clauses, that my best lawyers will cleverly conceal. You can invent more stuff then fusion bombs and AIs with Technology. I'm putting my big brains into Advanced Economic & Trade Treaties Theory.[/QUOTE] Well I was going to ask you if you wanted to do a student exchange program. But maybe I'll look at my contracts a bit more thoroughly now.[/QUOTE]

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper, Thelonius

Date : 2012-03-27 10:27

Title : Re: Shhhhh!

[QUOTE=Thelonius][QUOTE]So Mistral, in this game are the usual shotgun trade agreements everyone makes at the start of the game actually going to have any bonuses. Or perhaps even penalties. Or is it purely fluff like in most TWs.[/QUOTE] Shhhh! Goddamit. I plan to exploit the heck out of how everybody just blindly signs anything called Trade Agreement. Let's say mine will have special clauses, that my best lawyers will cleverly conceal. You can invent more stuff then fusion bombs and AIs with Technology. I'm putting my big brains into Advanced Economic & Trade Treaties Theory.[/QUOTE] To the quoted query, I'm not sure. Possibly yes in aggregate. It'll definitely show improvement if the players invest ECO to represent the trade routes being developed and expanded, or ESP in accord with using it to piggyback infiltration. To Thelonius, invest ESP/ECO to the process, and we'll see how entertaining it becomes. Also, it may help to write up the treaties. I can just imagine player reactions if they get told there's something in the treaty they never saw, and it isn't pretty.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-27 10:32

Title : Re: [2126] National Stats: Southern Federation

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral]MIL: 2

ECO: 2

ESP: 7

TEC: 6

MOR: 6

REP: 2[/QUOTE] So I have some questions on a couple of projects. Barring some extensive cipher investments I can read pretty much any message. But I can't read PMs. What would it take for me to be able to do so. Some special project, extra investment in a particular country, just an obscenely high espionage. I want to hide my involvement in things, but I also don't want to actually be uninvolved. Problem is if I start selling information or talking to people, even in PMs, I'm going to reveal that I have high espionage. Even if I don't actually say it's the Southern Federation they're still going to know that it's [I]me[/I] the player. If I have to, I can live with that. But I would prefer to make a proxy NPC information broker, which could talk to them. Would you be willing to do that? Would it even be possible? If I invest espionage into obfuscating my stats, does that also count as defensive espionage?[/QUOTE] For reading PM-level posts, active and ongoing high-level infiltration of the senior administration. For reading actual PMs, impossible, if only because we don't have access to other people's private messages. NPC institutions can be spun off if you desire from one or more nations, and I would be willing to manage some of them. The thread may be followed to you if they invest ESP into tracking your information broker's sources, though, so you may want to give them some stats of their own as a forward defense. No in the way you're likely thinking. Espionage dedicated to stats are specific to those stats, and won't enhance the secrecy of your messages. It will, however, apply to defensive action taken against enemy sabotage against those particular stats.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-27 11:00

Title : Re: [2126] National Stats: Southern Federation

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]So I have some questions on a couple of projects. Barring some extensive cipher investments I can read pretty much any message. But I can't read PMs. What would it take for me to be able to do so. Some special project, extra investment in a particular country, just an obscenely high espionage. I want to hide my involvement in things, but I also don't want to actually be uninvolved. Problem is if I start selling information or talking to people, even in PMs, I'm going to reveal that I have high espionage. Even if I don't actually say it's the Southern Federation they're still going to know that it's [I]me[/I] the player. If I have to, I can live with that. But I would prefer to make a proxy NPC information broker, which could talk to them. Would you be willing to do that? Would it even be possible? If I invest espionage into obfuscating my stats, does that also count as defensive espionage?[/QUOTE] For reading PM-level posts, active and ongoing high-level infiltration of the senior administration. For reading actual PMs, impossible, if only because we don't have access to other people's private messages. NPC institutions can be spun off if you desire from one or more nations, and I would be willing to manage some of them. The thread may be followed to you if they invest ESP into tracking your information broker's sources, though, so you may want to give them some stats of their own as a forward defense. No in the way you're likely thinking. Espionage dedicated to stats are specific to those stats, and won't enhance the secrecy of your messages. It will, however, apply to defensive action taken against enemy sabotage against those particular stats.[/QUOTE] Well yeah PM posts is what I meant, obviously I can't read PMs. If I do heavily infiltrate someone would it be possible to see their EoTs though. If I gave my broker some espionage would I still be able to control it. I don't want my broker deciding to go rogue on me. How are you handling stealing technology from someone? I know a project is being talked about among the space colonies to develop some AIs and its a tempting idea to infiltrate and grab some of their results. Could I get some overviews of how much espionage various things would cost. Specifically finding out someone's general stats, finding out their specific stats, and subverting a (NPC) government either completely or in just one area (stat).[/QUOTE]

Yes, but they'd have to be hopelessly compromised, and there'd be a risk that they'll stumble across someone in the chain. Yes, you can provide general guidelines, and the regular flow of intelligence to him from you (which you can threaten to shut off should he go rogue) will also provide leverage. You can give specific orders, but you'll either need to invest t.ESP to cover your interactions or take the chance that no one's watching your broker on that turn. Depends on the project and the ties between the two countries. It'll be easier to steal from friends than foes, for instance, since the trust will be greater on a local level, and it also depends on the original cost of the research to the source nation. Various costs for actions, absent enemy defenses. These may also be invested in over multiple turns, so don't think you have to spend all at once. Finding out a stat: 2-4 t.ESP (general estimate), 6-8 (specific value) Government subversion: Anywhere from 2-4 ESP per (actual) value in that stat for a single stat. An opponent government will effectively be considered compromised if you control 3-4 of their 6 stats. They're very likely to decline annexation unless they've lost 50% of their total stat points either through military, economic, or espionage action.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-03-27 11:58

Title : Re: [2126] National Stats: Southern Federation

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]So I have some questions on a couple of projects. Barring some extensive cipher investments I can read pretty much any message. But I can't read PMs. What would it take for me to be able to do so. Some special project, extra investment in a particular country, just an obscenely high espionage. I want to hide my involvement in things, but I also don't want to actually be uninvolved. Problem is if I start selling information or talking to people, even in PMs, I'm going to reveal that I have high espionage. Even if I don't actually say it's the Southern Federation they're still going to know that it's [I]me[/I] the player. If I have to, I can live with that. But I would prefer to make a proxy NPC information broker, which could talk to them. Would you be willing to do that? Would it even be possible? If I invest espionage into obfuscating my stats, does that also count as defensive espionage?[/QUOTE] For reading PM-level posts, active and ongoing high-level infiltration of the senior administration. For reading actual PMs, impossible, if only because we don't have access to other people's private messages. NPC institutions can be spun off if you desire from one or more nations, and I would be willing to manage some of them. The thread may be followed to you if they invest ESP into tracking your information broker's sources, though, so you may want to give them some stats of their own as a forward defense. No in the way you're likely thinking. Espionage dedicated to stats are specific to those stats, and won't enhance the secrecy of your messages. It will, however, apply to defensive action taken against enemy sabotage against those particular stats.[/QUOTE] Well yeah PM posts is what I meant, obviously I can't read PMs. If I do heavily infiltrate someone would it be possible to see their EoTs though. If I gave my broker some espionage would I still be able to control it. I don't want my broker deciding to go rogue on me. How are you handling stealing technology from someone? I know a project is being talked about among the space colonies to develop some AIs and its a tempting idea to infiltrate and grab some of their results. Could I get some overviews of how much espionage various things would cost. Specifically finding out someone's general stats, finding out their specific stats, and subverting a (NPC) government either completely or in just one area (stat).[/QUOTE]

Yes, but they'd have to be hopelessly compromised, and there'd be a risk that they'll stumble across someone in the chain. Yes, you can provide general guidelines, and the regular flow of intelligence to him from you (which you can threaten to shut off should he go rogue) will also provide leverage. You can give specific orders, but you'll either need to invest t.ESP to cover your interactions or take the chance that no one's watching your broker on that turn. Depends on the project and the ties between the two countries. It'll be easier to steal from friends than foes, for instance, since the trust will be greater on a local level, and it also depends on the original cost of the research to the source nation. Various costs for actions, absent enemy defenses. These may also be invested in over multiple turns, so don't think you have to spend all at once. Finding out a stat: 2-4 t.ESP (general estimate), 6-8 (specific value) Government subversion: Anywhere from 2-4 ESP per (actual) value in that stat for a single stat. An opponent government will effectively be considered compromised if you control 3-4 of their 6 stats. They're very likely to decline annexation unless they've lost 50% of their total stat points either through military, economic, or espionage action.[/QUOTE] Hmm, I'll have to think about making a broker some more. What I'm thinking basically is to let him do his own thing. Worming in to networks, finding out secrets, setting up contacts, etc. With two caveats. First every so often I'll "harvest" his esp. Probably once he gets to +++ esp. That way I make sure he is firmly under my control. And of course if I specifically want someone to know something then I'll give him a directive. But on the other hand it won't be all one way. I'll be providing teams to strengthen his networks, and if one of his clients wants something specific then he can request an espionage strike from my larger reserves. Does that seem ok? Also if I do set him up then it won't just be some random criminal I grab off the streets. The broker would be my most trusted and loyal agent chosen specifically for a long term solo assignment. Looks like subversion is going to be a very long term project then. I'll need to work on raising my espionage before I can really go at it. Alright just one more question. For psionics, will it be an actual stat or will it be a technology that boosts other stats? For instance if I work on getting my agents limited telepathy so they can communicate without needing vulnerable dead drops (My first planned project), then would that give me - psionics or - espionage. (Value for example purposes only, you can give me more than - when I do it. :smallbiggrin:)[/QUOTE]

Yep, that seems quite good. General orders would include for your broker to do things like defend himself, or target specific countries that you have interest in. Stat transfers can work both ways, so you can also have him build up networks and gradually co-opt or harvest them yourself every so often. I was considering it as an integrated component of other stats. In essence, boosting your agents psionic abilities would give you increased stats in ESP, while expanding its commercial availability would increase ECO. Still, the idea of having ESP and PSI stats is interesting, and may be more flexible. I think I'll have to think on your idea.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-01 11:38

Title : [TW 2126] Turn 1 EoT Resolution: Southern Federation

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]MIL: 2

1. My soldiers will simply train and work on my defenses. However while they do this they will also work with my espionage to make as much noise and be as obvious as possible, so that they appear to be a larger force than they actually are if anyone comes looking. ECO: 2

1. + will go into building a small space station with the help of the technorapture. Essentially what I'm trying to do here is establish relations with Technorapture. So that they will trust me more and eventually I will have an easier time gaining access to the space factions. I figure this will be very useful since most of them seem the types to have high technology. So they'll probably have lots of interesting research to steal. I expect most people will be fairly suspicious of trade agreements and such right now, given what you said about them opening you up a little to espionage, but by getting on good terms with them now and not doing anything suspicious I hope that they will eventually lower their guard. 2. + will go into upgrading my own labs. ESP: 7

1. ++ will go into obfuscating my stats. The main priority is to lower my apparent espionage level to average. If possible I also want to raise my apparent military level to average with the help of my noisy soldiers. That way my country will appear to be mostly average in terms of military and espionage. If they see my high technology that is ok. It will simply look like I traded my econ and reputation for high morale and technology. 2. +++++ will go into setting up outside information networks and an organization for my information broker. I may give him some of my own espionage, but I'll make my descision on that after I see how my EoT works out. TEC: 6

1. + will go into setting up a genetic engineering division. I don't expect much with just a + invested, but I need a foundation for further work here. 2. +++++ will go into researching psionics. The first of many eventual goals will be to figure out short range telepathy between two prepared agents. The objective here is to start doing away with physical or electronic dead drops that could expose my agents. I suppose eventually enough people might get psionics that I'll need to worry about shielding that as well, but for now it's likely going to make my agents considerably harder to detect. Of course I'll still need dead drops and contacts for larger pieces of information like schematics and stuff, but this should cut down on the routine contacts between agents. And the fewer contacts I have the less likely an agents are to be observed. MOR: 6

1. All of my morale will go into screening my population, all of it not just my espionage division, for the perfect candidate to be assigned as my information broker. I want someone who is a strong leader, is able to act independently, and yet is still completely loyal. Whoever it is will be working almost completely on their own, and will likely have to pretend to be the head of a criminal organization. So they need to be dedicated to this. Kind of a metagame note here, but if this proves to be succesful then several years down the line I will probably bring this person back in to lead my country since they will have proved that they have the skills to handle that sort of thing. REP: 2

1. My diplomats will work with talking to the Andean Union and Brazil to establish a better relationship with my neighbors.[/QUOTE]

MIL: 2

ECO: 2

ESP: 7

TEC: 6

MOR: 6

REP: 2 Your military trains relentlessly, frequently marching alongside decoys and balloon armies. Though this feels a little silly to many of your soldiers, they nonetheless perform with great aplomb and decorum. In an entirely unrelated note, the fictional “Colonel Popper” has become an unusually-common sight in officer mess halls. The small orbital station comes online on schedule. Though its docking capacity is limited, it shows promise, especially with further expansion and development. Your investment into your labs draws the attention of several researchers who show interest, and hope for further funding increases. Your efforts to conceal your nation’s espionage arm and enhance their military arm are divided, and with resources split between the two, can’t manage to hide more than 1 stat point each. Fortunately, as far as they can tell, no one seems to be looking anyways, and the deceit will likely pass unnoticed to any passing glance. You lay a basic foundation for genetic engineering development, and the expansion of the Genetic Sciences building of the University of Buenos Aires is greeted cheerfully by its faculty. Your operations in psionics, particularly telepathy, show progress, and it is believed that a breakthrough may be made in 1-1.5 years depending on rate of investment. The Information Broker: 5 ESP, 6 MOR

Several promising individuals have been selected, and after a thorough winnowing, a single candidate has been selected. With significant training

[Information Broker created with 5 t.ESP, 1 MOR. Continuing investment will develop their permanent stats further. Feel free to come up with the fluff for the faction and/or individual if you wish, or else I can do so myself if you’re worried a similarity in writing style may lead players OOC to you or just don’t feel like it. The faction will not be made public until you wish to make them public.] Your approaches to the Andean and Brazilian governments both appear to be somewhat successful. While the Andean government is more outwardly friendlier, the Brazilian consulate appears to be somewhat friendlier in spite of a grudging air.

[Roll summary]

Federation to Andean: 1 REP (1d8)=5

Federation to Brazil: 1 REP (1d8)=5

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-01 13:25

Title : Re: [TW 2126] Turn 1 EoT Resolution: Southern Federation

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]MIL: 2

1. My soldiers will simply train and work on my defenses. However while they do this they will also work with my espionage to make as much noise and be as obvious as possible, so that they appear to be a larger force than they actually are if anyone comes looking. ECO: 2

1. + will go into building a small space station with the help of the technorapture. Essentially what I'm trying to do here is establish relations with Technorapture. So that they will trust me more and eventually I will have an easier time gaining access to the space factions. I figure this will be very useful since most of them seem the types to have high technology. So they'll probably have lots of interesting research to steal. I expect most people will be fairly suspicious of trade agreements and such right now, given what you said about them opening you up a little to espionage, but by getting on good terms with them now and not doing anything suspicious I hope that they will eventually lower their guard. 2. + will go into upgrading my own labs. ESP: 7

1. ++ will go into obfuscating my stats. The main priority is to lower my apparent espionage level to average. If possible I also want to raise my apparent military level to average with the help of my noisy soldiers. That way my country will appear to be mostly average in terms of military and espionage. If they see my high technology that is ok. It will simply look like I traded my econ and reputation for high morale and technology. 2. +++++ will go into setting up outside information networks and an organization for my information broker. I may give him some of my own espionage, but I'll make my descision on that after I see how my EoT works out. TEC: 6

1. + will go into setting up a genetic engineering division. I don't expect much with just a + invested, but I need a foundation for further work here. 2. +++++ will go into researching psionics. The first of many eventual goals will be to figure out short range telepathy between two prepared agents. The objective here is to start doing away with physical or electronic dead drops that could expose my agents. I suppose eventually enough people might get psionics that I'll need to worry about shielding that as well, but for now it's likely going to make my agents considerably harder to detect. Of course I'll still need dead drops and contacts for larger pieces of information like schematics and stuff, but this should cut down on the routine contacts between agents. And the fewer contacts I have the less likely an agents are to be observed. MOR: 6

1. All of my morale will go into screening my population, all of it not just my espionage division, for the perfect candidate to be assigned as my information broker. I want someone who is a strong leader, is able to act independently, and yet is still completely loyal. Whoever it is will be working almost completely on their own, and will likely have to pretend to be the head of a criminal organization. So they need to be dedicated to this. Kind of a metagame note here, but if this proves to be succesful then several years down the line I will probably bring this person back in to lead my country since they will have proved that they have the skills to handle that sort of thing. REP: 2

1. My diplomats will work with talking to the Andean Union and Brazil to establish a better relationship with my neighbors.[/QUOTE]

MIL: 2

ECO: 2

ESP: 7

TEC: 6

MOR: 6

REP: 2 Your military trains relentlessly, frequently marching alongside decoys and balloon armies. Though this feels a little silly to many of your soldiers, they nonetheless perform with great aplomb and decorum. In an entirely unrelated note, the fictional “Colonel Popper” has become an unusually-common sight in officer mess halls. The small orbital station comes online on schedule. Though its docking capacity is limited, it shows promise, especially with further expansion and development. Your investment into your labs draws the attention of several researchers who show interest, and hope for further funding increases. Your efforts to conceal your nation’s espionage arm and enhance their military arm are divided, and with resources split between the two, can’t manage to hide more than 1 stat point each. Fortunately, as far as they can tell, no one seems to be looking anyways, and the deceit will likely pass unnoticed to any passing glance. You lay a basic foundation for genetic engineering development, and the expansion of the Genetic Sciences building of the University of Buenos Aires is greeted cheerfully by its faculty. Your operations in psionics, particularly telepathy, show progress, and it is believed that a breakthrough may be made in 1-1.5 years depending on rate of investment. The Information Broker: 5 ESP, 6 MOR

Several promising individuals have been selected, and after a thorough winnowing, a single candidate has been selected. With significant training

[Information Broker created with 5 t.ESP, 1 MOR. Continuing investment will develop their permanent stats further. Feel free to come up with the fluff for the faction and/or individual if you wish, or else I can do so myself if you’re worried a similarity in writing style may lead players OOC to you or just don’t feel like it. The faction will not be made public until you wish to make them public.] Your approaches to the Andean and Brazilian governments both appear to be somewhat successful. While the Andean government is more outwardly friendlier, the Brazilian consulate appears to be somewhat friendlier in spite of a grudging air.

[Roll summary]

Federation to Andean: 1 REP (1d8)=5

Federation to Brazil: 1 REP (1d8)=5[/QUOTE] Is stat hiding cumulative, or am I going to have to invest the same amount every turn. Because if it isn't going to build up I probably won't bother. My best defense is that no one cares. My current instructions for the information broker are to increase his espionage. I won't be gifting any of my permanent espionage until he has managed to build a point permanent espionage of his own to base it on. I'll write some fluff for him later. I'm not particularly worried about similarities in writing style. That's a lot less likely to be noticed than simply being posted by the same person.[/QUOTE]

Mmm, I'll make it cumulative, but it decreases as people try to pry into it. With a permanent stat point, he should be able to boost his own stats now, so he'll be able to do it. He'll likely gain one permanent ESP next turn, and expand slowly from there.

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From : TheDarkDM

To : ArcaneStomper, d3vil, daelrog, Greystone, Gunther

Date : 2012-04-03 05:53

Title : FW: TW 2126 - Regarding Atlantic piracy

[QUOTE=Pahvimato]Cuba to the North American Hegemony We've seen your response to the British inquiry, and discussed the matter with them. You appear to be denying responsibility for these attacks. However, our illustrious fleet has managed to, while coincidentally performing a military drill near Innsmouth territorial waters, catch several of the ships linked to the attacks. Our interrogation (pirates are of course counted as terrorists and thus exempt from anti-torture legal treaties) has revealed you as their point of origin. In addition, the British MI6 has traced several of the offending vessels and their crewmembers to the North American Hegemony. We feel we have sufficient proof to go public with your involvement. Your reputation world-wide is not altogether great, and our proof is solid enough to pass any inspection. However, we would rather not be involved in yet another aggression or a scandal, so we thought to ask if you were willing to resolve this peacefully behind the scenes. We demand access to teams of inspectors at your docks to find out what exactly has been going on, as well as reparations for losses taken by Cuban and British merchant marine. If you agree, we'll bury the proof. If not, we'll see what the Gauls and Carthaginians think of this.[/QUOTE]

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-03 13:59

Title : Re: TW 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]I have a few questions. Will the Broker need my help next turn to gain his espionage? For the Hypereux network, would it be possible to see if they are reading the messages people send through them? Could I do this with just morale?[/QUOTE] Nope. You actually gave him precisely enough stat points that he'll be able to expand his ESP by one during this turn's EoT. Yes, it's possible. By stats, you won't be able to do it with just your own nation's MOR, but you'll rather need to use ESP in an attempt to beat their own defensive ESP investment + MOR. If you're worried about your ESP costs, there's also more elegant ways than stat investment to figure out if someone's reading your mail in an RP environment, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to suggest strategy on that level, and stat investment does have the benefit of being somewhat concrete.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-05 11:07

Title : Re: TW 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]I have a few questions. Will the Broker need my help next turn to gain his espionage? For the Hypereux network, would it be possible to see if they are reading the messages people send through them? Could I do this with just morale?[/QUOTE] Nope. You actually gave him precisely enough stat points that he'll be able to expand his ESP by one during this turn's EoT. Yes, it's possible. By stats, you won't be able to do it with just your own nation's MOR, but you'll rather need to use ESP in an attempt to beat their own defensive ESP investment + MOR. If you're worried about your ESP costs, there's also more elegant ways than stat investment to figure out if someone's reading your mail in an RP environment, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to suggest strategy on that level, and stat investment does have the benefit of being somewhat concrete.[/QUOTE] Since the broker is an NPC now, what does he think about contacting Stichelhaar Consulting? See at first I was thinking about telling him to try and avoid them since they are in the same business, and would be better established. But then I thought that they might actually be open to a partnership. Instead of competing we could actually work together to better conduct the espionage operations of clients. And it would put yet another layer between the Southern Federation and the public. Honestly if I had thought about this earlier I might have approached them instead of making my own shadow broker.[/QUOTE] He successfully contacted Stichelhaar Consulting. Unfortunately, he reports back that they are already contracted as far as intelligence-gathering is concerned, and therefore would not be able to help. They might be open to a partnership, but it would be along the lines of a mercenary contract, and he can't afford their prices on his own.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-05 11:20

Title : Re: TW 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]I have a few questions. Will the Broker need my help next turn to gain his espionage? For the Hypereux network, would it be possible to see if they are reading the messages people send through them? Could I do this with just morale?[/QUOTE] Nope. You actually gave him precisely enough stat points that he'll be able to expand his ESP by one during this turn's EoT. Yes, it's possible. By stats, you won't be able to do it with just your own nation's MOR, but you'll rather need to use ESP in an attempt to beat their own defensive ESP investment + MOR. If you're worried about your ESP costs, there's also more elegant ways than stat investment to figure out if someone's reading your mail in an RP environment, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to suggest strategy on that level, and stat investment does have the benefit of being somewhat concrete.[/QUOTE] Since the broker is an NPC now, what does he think about contacting Stichelhaar Consulting? See at first I was thinking about telling him to try and avoid them since they are in the same business, and would be better established. But then I thought that they might actually be open to a partnership. Instead of competing we could actually work together to better conduct the espionage operations of clients. And it would put yet another layer between the Southern Federation and the public. Honestly if I had thought about this earlier I might have approached them instead of making my own shadow broker.[/QUOTE] He successfully contacted Stichelhaar Consulting. Unfortunately, he reports back that they are already contracted as far as intelligence-gathering is concerned, and therefore would not be able to help. They might be open to a partnership, but it would be along the lines of a mercenary contract, and he can't afford their prices on his own.[/QUOTE] Well that was the point really. I figured that their espionage capabilities had to have some limits. And that eventually it would be at full capacity. This is confirmation of that. That's why I offered a partnership. With the help of my agents they can take both more contracts and contracts that are more difficult. A mercenary contract would be them helping me, I want to help them. For a share of the profits of course. They get more profits because they can handle more work, and I get some profits without exposing myself. If they don't go for it I'll just use my rep to work on them this EoT.[/QUOTE] They're amenable to a limited partnership and may be willing to pass them a few jobs come Turn 3 to see how effectively they can handle it, but they don't know the intelligence broker at all (unsurprising, since he only just appeared on the scene), and thus aren't interested in any sort of closer agreement at this time. Also, just a light warning, but using your REP for this would be a good way to identify yourself and make the ties between you and your pet NPC more obvious, because, after all, it's your own nation's reputation at stake.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-05 14:54

Title : Re: TW 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][spoiler][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]I have a few questions. Will the Broker need my help next turn to gain his espionage? For the Hypereux network, would it be possible to see if they are reading the messages people send through them? Could I do this with just morale?[/QUOTE] Nope. You actually gave him precisely enough stat points that he'll be able to expand his ESP by one during this turn's EoT. Yes, it's possible. By stats, you won't be able to do it with just your own nation's MOR, but you'll rather need to use ESP in an attempt to beat their own defensive ESP investment + MOR. If you're worried about your ESP costs, there's also more elegant ways than stat investment to figure out if someone's reading your mail in an RP environment, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to suggest strategy on that level, and stat investment does have the benefit of being somewhat concrete.[/QUOTE] Since the broker is an NPC now, what does he think about contacting Stichelhaar Consulting? See at first I was thinking about telling him to try and avoid them since they are in the same business, and would be better established. But then I thought that they might actually be open to a partnership. Instead of competing we could actually work together to better conduct the espionage operations of clients. And it would put yet another layer between the Southern Federation and the public. Honestly if I had thought about this earlier I might have approached them instead of making my own shadow broker.[/QUOTE] He successfully contacted Stichelhaar Consulting. Unfortunately, he reports back that they are already contracted as far as intelligence-gathering is concerned, and therefore would not be able to help. They might be open to a partnership, but it would be along the lines of a mercenary contract, and he can't afford their prices on his own.[/QUOTE] Well that was the point really. I figured that their espionage capabilities had to have some limits. And that eventually it would be at full capacity. This is confirmation of that. That's why I offered a partnership. With the help of my agents they can take both more contracts and contracts that are more difficult. A mercenary contract would be them helping me, I want to help them. For a share of the profits of course. They get more profits because they can handle more work, and I get some profits without exposing myself. If they don't go for it I'll just use my rep to work on them this EoT.[/QUOTE] They're amenable to a limited partnership and may be willing to pass them a few jobs come Turn 3 to see how effectively they can handle it, but they don't know the intelligence broker at all (unsurprising, since he only just appeared on the scene), and thus aren't interested in any sort of closer agreement at this time. Also, just a light warning, but using your REP for this would be a good way to identify yourself and make the ties between you and your pet NPC more obvious, because, after all, it's your own nation's reputation at stake.[/QUOTE][/spoiler] Alright I can understand them not being willing to fully trust a new espionage broker out of the blue. I kind of have a problem in that the broker has 0 rep, 0 in most stats actually, which makes him untrustworthy if not outright hated. But on the other hand I don't really want him to get a high rep and be known. Because then I would also have to increase all his other defenses. Is there a way to just increase his rep with Stichelhaar.[/QUOTE] Working together with them and proving himself trustworthy and reliable will gradually improve their opinion of him.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-05 15:01

Title : Re: TW 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][spoiler][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]I have a few questions. Will the Broker need my help next turn to gain his espionage? For the Hypereux network, would it be possible to see if they are reading the messages people send through them? Could I do this with just morale?[/QUOTE] Nope. You actually gave him precisely enough stat points that he'll be able to expand his ESP by one during this turn's EoT. Yes, it's possible. By stats, you won't be able to do it with just your own nation's MOR, but you'll rather need to use ESP in an attempt to beat their own defensive ESP investment + MOR. If you're worried about your ESP costs, there's also more elegant ways than stat investment to figure out if someone's reading your mail in an RP environment, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to suggest strategy on that level, and stat investment does have the benefit of being somewhat concrete.[/QUOTE] Since the broker is an NPC now, what does he think about contacting Stichelhaar Consulting? See at first I was thinking about telling him to try and avoid them since they are in the same business, and would be better established. But then I thought that they might actually be open to a partnership. Instead of competing we could actually work together to better conduct the espionage operations of clients. And it would put yet another layer between the Southern Federation and the public. Honestly if I had thought about this earlier I might have approached them instead of making my own shadow broker.[/QUOTE] He successfully contacted Stichelhaar Consulting. Unfortunately, he reports back that they are already contracted as far as intelligence-gathering is concerned, and therefore would not be able to help. They might be open to a partnership, but it would be along the lines of a mercenary contract, and he can't afford their prices on his own.[/QUOTE] Well that was the point really. I figured that their espionage capabilities had to have some limits. And that eventually it would be at full capacity. This is confirmation of that. That's why I offered a partnership. With the help of my agents they can take both more contracts and contracts that are more difficult. A mercenary contract would be them helping me, I want to help them. For a share of the profits of course. They get more profits because they can handle more work, and I get some profits without exposing myself. If they don't go for it I'll just use my rep to work on them this EoT.[/QUOTE] They're amenable to a limited partnership and may be willing to pass them a few jobs come Turn 3 to see how effectively they can handle it, but they don't know the intelligence broker at all (unsurprising, since he only just appeared on the scene), and thus aren't interested in any sort of closer agreement at this time. Also, just a light warning, but using your REP for this would be a good way to identify yourself and make the ties between you and your pet NPC more obvious, because, after all, it's your own nation's reputation at stake.[/QUOTE][/spoiler] Alright I can understand them not being willing to fully trust a new espionage broker out of the blue. I kind of have a problem in that the broker has 0 rep, 0 in most stats actually, which makes him untrustworthy if not outright hated. But on the other hand I don't really want him to get a high rep and be known. Because then I would also have to increase all his other defenses. Is there a way to just increase his rep with Stichelhaar.[/QUOTE] Working together with them and proving himself trustworthy and reliable will gradually improve their opinion of him.[/QUOTE] Ok then. I have one more question. Is my investment of econ in the space station helping me open channels with Technorapture or going towards my own stats.[/QUOTE] The economic partnership between multiple nations is boosting your stats at a slightly improved rate compared to the baseline. Diplomatic channels between you and Technorapture are purely diplomatic. There wasn't a net transfer of economic assets to either side, though, if that's what you're asking.

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From : Mistral

To : ArcaneStomper

Date : 2012-04-05 15:37

Title : Re: TW 2126

[QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][spoiler][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper][QUOTE=Mistral][QUOTE=ArcaneStomper]I have a few questions. Will the Broker need my help next turn to gain his espionage? For the Hypereux network, would it be possible to see if they are reading the messages people send through them? Could I do this with just morale?[/QUOTE] Nope. You actually gave him precisely enough stat points that he'll be able to expand his ESP by one during this turn's EoT. Yes, it's possible. By stats, you won't be able to do it with just your own nation's MOR, but you'll rather need to use ESP in an attempt to beat their own defensive ESP investment + MOR. If you're worried about your ESP costs, there's also more elegant ways than stat investment to figure out if someone's reading your mail in an RP environment, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to suggest strategy on that level, and stat investment does have the benefit of being somewhat concrete.[/QUOTE] Since the broker is an NPC now, what does he think about contacting Stichelhaar Consulting? See at first I was thinking about telling him to try and avoid them since they are in the same business, and would be better established. But then I thought that they might actually be open to a partnership. Instead of competing we could actually work together to better conduct the espionage operations of clients. And it would put yet another layer between the Southern Federation and the public. Honestly if I had thought about this earlier I might have approached them instead of making my own shadow broker.[/QUOTE] He successfully contacted Stichelhaar Consulting. Unfortunately, he reports back that they are already contracted as far as intelligence-gathering is concerned, and therefore would not be able to help. They might be open to a partnership, but it would be along the lines of a mercenary contract, and he can't afford their prices on his own.[/QUOTE] Well that was the point really. I figured that their espionage capabilities had to have some limits. And that eventually it would be at full capacity. This is confirmation of that. That's why I offered a partnership. With the help of my agents they can take both more contracts and contracts that are more difficult. A mercenary contract would be them helping me, I want to help them. For a share of the profits of course. They get more profits because they can handle more work, and I get some profits without exposing myself. If they don't go for it I'll just use my rep to work on them this EoT.[/QUOTE] They're amenable to a limited partnership and may be willing to pass them a few jobs come Turn 3 to see how effectively they can handle it, but they don't know the intelligence broker at all (unsurprising, since he only just appeared on the scene), and thus aren't interested in any sort of closer agreement at this time. Also, just a light warning, but using your REP for this would be a good way to identify yourself and make the ties between you and your pet NPC more obvious, because, after all, it's your own nation's reputation at stake.[/QUOTE][/spoiler] Alright I can understand them not being willing to fully trust a new espionage broker out of the blue. I kind of have a problem in that the broker has 0 rep, 0 in most stats actually, which makes him untrustworthy if not outright hated. But on the other hand I don't really want him to get a high rep and be known. Because then I would also have to increase all his other defenses. Is there a way to just increase his rep with Stichelhaar.[/QUOTE] Working together with them and proving himself trustworthy and reliable will gradually improve their opinion of him.[/QUOTE] Ok then. I have one more question. Is my investment of econ in the space station helping me open channels with Technorapture or going towards my own stats.[/QUOTE] The economic partnership between multiple nations is boosting your stats at a slightly improved rate compared to the baseline. Diplomatic channels between you and Technorapture are purely diplomatic. There wasn't a net transfer of economic assets to either side, though, if that's what you're asking.[/QUOTE] No I'm just asking if it is helping me establish a line of trade. For both faster economic growth, and potential infiltration. Also will I need to actually get the Technorapture to reestablish that we are working together in this EoT or will it be automatic. I don't think it will be any problem getting them to agree, but if so then I will need to go bug them IC.[/QUOTE]

Oh, sorry. No, it isn't, unless you establish a permanent trade agreement after and I missed it. You shouldn't need to, as long as Technorapture invests stats again. I've already set the threshold for growth in ECO for your nation when I carried over the ECO invested, so it shouldn't change (or at least, increase).